“Not On My Watch”: How Sandy Stash Found Career Success by Leading Change in Challenging Environments

NAEM Staff
July 31, 2012
With more than 30 years in the oil and gas, hard rock and coal mining industries, Sandy Stash has significant experience representing business on controversial natural resource, public health and environmental issues. A petroleum engineer by training, she spent her early career as one of the first women to work as a drilling engineer and drilling rig foreman at ARCO locations across North America. Today she is the Global Senior Vice President of Health, Safety, Security, Environment and Operational Assurance at Talisman Energy. Her current project is introducing a holistic operational management framework that will govern risk management across Talisman's global businesses. We spoke with her at NAEM's recent Environmental Women's Leadership Roundtable about her career.

GT: You were one of the first women to work as a drilling engineer. What was it like for you back then?

SS: It was a blast! In all seriousness, I made a conscious decision, particularly as a woman, to get some good solid field experience. The first thing I learned about was the equipment. I also gained a better understanding of the culture of the oil industry. And finally, I learned an awful lot about influencing people because as you might imagine, I was a 22-year-old female thrown on a drilling rig, ostensibly to be "the boss," yet I really didn't know what I was doing. I think I learned a lot about how to listen to people, how to influence them and how to build the teamwork necessary to make me successful.

GT: Throughout your career, you've also been involved with driving change in a lot of complex organizations. What are some of the strategies you've used?

SS: Well, first of all, it's very, very hard work...I think that as human beings we tend to be change-resistant, so I think it's important to take the time to understand everyone's perspective. Number two, there's a bit of collaborative work that needs to be done to come up with a common vision. In other words, it's a lot easier if you own part of the change, rather than having someone else telling you that you need to change. The third thing is that once you've made the decision, you need to be very clear about who is accountable for the outcomes. And finally, and this may be the toughest part, you're always going to have some people who don't want to get on board, and you need to get them out of the way.

GT: You have been involved with structuring the EHS guidelines for Talisman's hydrofracking operations. One of the most important components you identified was a commitment to transparency. Could you explain why you included that?

SS: Hydrofracking or ‘fracking' comes under a lot of pressure because of the concerns that people have about the materials or the chemicals that go into the frack jobs. Truthfully, it's a very, very small percentage because mostly it's water and sand, but we feel that we can dispel a lot of concerns and bad information by just fully disclosing what chemicals are in our frack jobs. And finally, by being transparent about chemical usage and whatever it is, the next very important step is that you actually set metrics to improve, reduce or increase whatever the metric is. So transparency leads to very important target-setting, which is important for all of us to continuously improve our businesses.

GT: You also said that your attitude when it comes to incidents is "Not on my watch." What do you mean by that?

SS: I think that as HSE professionals we should be preventing accidents, not responding to them. We may always have the need to respond, but the more we can do in the way we design our plants, operate our plants, train our people and create clarity around people's accountability, the better we will be at preventing accidents in the first place.

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